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Staying Warm Sunnycamper posted in the Camping Forum that she had recently... used motor home withMotor Homing in Europe Web TransitionsAbroad.com Home Work Study Travel Living As seen in Transitions Abroad Magazine November/December 2004 Related Topics Camping Abroad Budget Travel Related Articles An RV in Europe Car Camping Through Europe Off-Beat Camping in Europe Motor Homing in Europe The Best Way to Meet Your European Neighbors By Steve Hunt A young camper savors Florence's delights from the backdoor of her family's motor home. Recently, I completed an 8-month trip across Europe by motor home. As a former tour operator, I’ve traveled just about every way imaginable. I found motor homing hard to beat. You pack once; you travel where you want when you want; you have no worries about where the next hotel room will be, and you have to try hard not to meet people. If you’re traveling to Europe on a short 2-or-3-week vacation, a motor home may not be ideal. Some wrong turns on unfamiliar roadways, and this can cause problems for people on a tight schedule. But for a family exploring Europe for the summer or a retired couple with plenty of time, it’s ideal. So why didn’t I meet more Americans in Europe’s 8,000 campgrounds? First, let’s look at the basics. There are three ways to acquire your camping van or motor home: rent, lease, or buy. The least expensive way to go on a long trip is to buy. You may want to buy from an outfit that will guarantee to buy back your rig at the end of the trip. For optimum savings, consider a good used motor home with low mileage. I contacted an outfit in Amsterdam recommended to me by an experienced RVer and made my arrangements over the phone. When I arrived, my camper was ready and waiting. I even shipped several cartons of supplies in advance and they were stored in the motor home until I arrived. There are some technicalities regarding insurance and registration, but these are handled by the outfit that sells you your camper. I met a number of Americans traveling in Europe who had considered motor homing but decided against it because they were afraid of being stuck with the motor home at the end of their trip. The buy-back program resolves this dilemma. Many companies will agree to sell your camper on consignment at the end of your trip, but I found most people wanted the security of a guaranteed buy-back. Buy-backs vary but usually average around 65 percent of the purchase price. Needless to say, the longer you travel, the cheaper the cost per day. Reasonable used motor homes and camper-vans ideal for touring Europe range between $13,000 and $35,000 depending on size, year, and condition. Europeans love to camp and there are campgrounds just about everywhere. They range from complete destination resorts with swimming pools, tennis, entertainment, bars, restaurants, and grocery stores on premises to more rustic campgrounds with few extras. Almost all campgrounds have basic necessities such as bathrooms, showers, dishwashing facilities, electric hook-ups, and chemical toilets for waste. Many people find a central location they like and take day trips using the campground as a base until they move on. Costs If you take the cost of your camper (minus buy-back or anticipated resale price) insurance, registration, campground fees, and gas you can get a good idea of your costs. My costs over 245 days, traveling an estimated 16,500 kilometers, were 1,678 euros for gas, 1,452 euros for insurance, and 932 euros for registration. Campgrounds averaged 15 euros per night for one person, electric hook-up, and camper. Add five to eight euros per additional adult and three to four per child. My low was eight euros and my high 28. Some people save money by free camping (camping in truck stops, beaches, and along the road) but I did so only in an emergency and don’t recommend it as a standard practice. Besides, you miss one of the big advantages of camping Europe. When you’re in a campground, it’s hard not to socialize and meet people. Fellow campers will be intrigued by the fact that you’re an American camping through Europe. I can’t count the number of times I was invited over for a glass of wine and conversation. And if you are traveling with kids, you’ll be amazed how they communicate through body and sign language as if talking really didn’t matter. Another way to add meaning to your trip is to allot some time for visiting with a local family. Servas , an organization of international hosts in over 100 countries, will provide you with host lists for the countries you request. The normal routine is to spend two nights at the home of a host family, usually including dinner. The objective is to learn about each other’s way of life and exchange ideas. Some hosts will give you a tour of the local area and all can provide useful information. Dine with the Danes, a more commercial venture, provides a dinner-only exchange in Denmark for a fee. Servas charges nothing except for a membership fee, but the usual procedure is to thank your host with a small gift or bottle of wine. Finding space in campgrounds is a lot easier than finding space in hotels (although at popular vacation destinations in July and August, it’s helpful to call ahead and reserve a spot). Not all campgrounds take reservations, so if the area campgrounds are crowded the best bet is to arrive early. I never made a reservation during my eight months of travel and was only turned away twice because a campground was full. In both cases, I got a spot at a neighboring site. I also tried to arrange my itinerary so I avoided crowded vacation destinations during the summer. Preparation A good campground guide is essential for locating places where you want to stay. Another essential item to get before you leave is an International Camping Carnet card. This provides admittance to most campgrounds (in some cases at reduced rates) and is held by the campground instead of your passport. Don’t leave home without it. (See the Camping Tips sidebar for a listing of good books on camping in Europe and other services and suggestions. Proper planning is the best insurance for a smooth travel experience.) Camping Tips and Resources Propane Tanks: Your camper will undoubtedly come with one full propane tank (used for refrigerator, hot water, and sometimes heater) and possibly a small reserve "camper" tank. If you’re traveling for more than two months, get a second full tank from your camper outfit. This gives you plenty of time to get your empty tank replaced when it runs out at the most inopportune time. Electric Heater: Get a small electric heater in Europe. It saves on propane during chilly nights and you just plug in at the campground. GPS: I never used one but the new camping books are coming out with GPS readings. Hand-held ($250) or dash mounted ($1,000 and up). If you’re into gadgets, you might enjoy one. Satellite TV: If you’re on a long trip this is a great way to keep in touch with what’s going on via CNN, BBC, etc. Many campers have them. Money: ATM cash machines are the easiest and least expensive way to obtain cash in Europe and are everywhere in Western Europe. Books: David Shore and Patty Campbell, Europe by Van and Motorhome (Odyssey Press, 2001). Basic how-to guide to RVing through Europe more than a listing of campgrounds. Good tips on a successful trip. Order direct at 760-723-6184 or shorecam@aol.com , www.roadtripeurope.com . $16.95. Mike and Terri Church, Traveler’s Guide to European Camping (Rolling Homes Press, 1999). Picks best campgrounds in popular spots. My guide for much of my trip. Indispensible. Updated edition may be out by now. Order direct from publishers at 1-888-265-6555 or at www.rollinghomes.com . $19.95. Carol Mickelsen, Camping Europe (Carousel Press, 2001). Similar to Church book. Order at www.caarousel-press.com , Amazon.com, or local book store. $19.95. The Caravan Club, Caravan Europe (The Caravan Club Ltd., 2003) Two-volume edition is the most comprehensive printed listing of European campgrounds available. Separate volume for U.K. campgrounds. Also sells a membership card for U.K. campgrounds similar to the Camping Carnet card listed below. Order from club at Dept. DC, Freepost, E. Grinstead, W. Sussex, RH19 1ZB, U.K.; Tel. 011-44-1342-318813, fax 011-44-1342-410258; www.caravanclub.co.uk . £9 English pounds per volume. Membership card £27 pounds. ACSI Camping CD-Rom 2003: If CD-Roms are more your thing, this one in seven languages and complete with search engines and pictures lists 8,000 campgrounds in 24 countries. Order from ACSI Publishing BV, Postbus 34, 6670 AA Zetten, The Netherlands, Tel. 011-31-488-452055, fax 011-31-488-454210; www.acsi-gids.com , info@acsi-gids.com . 15 euros. International Camping Carnet Card: Order from Family Campers & RVers, 4804 Transit Road, Bld. 2, Depew, N.Y. 14043-4704; 716-668-6242; 800-235-9755. $35. US Servas, Inc.: 11 John St., Room 505, New York, N.Y. 10038; Tel. 212-267-0252, fax 212-267-0292, info@usservas.org ; www.usservas.org . Membership $65. Dine With the Danes: Contact: Anette Haargaaard, Smallegade 20A, 2000 Frederiksberk, Denmark, Tel. 011-45-26-85-39-61, fax 011-45-38-19-39-64. www.dinewiththedanes.dk . Dkk350. Braitman & Woudenberg: P.O. Box 1891, 1000 BW, Amsterdam, Netherlands; Tel. 011-31-20-6221168, fax 011-31-20-6203855, www.bwcampers.com , info@bwcampers.com . Dependable camper sales with buy-back and support while traveling. Bilbo’s Trading Co.: Eastbourne Rd., South Godstone, Surrey RH9 8JQ, U.K.; Tel. 011-44-1342-892499, fax 01-44-1342-893793; www.bilbos.com . Buy-backs available. Brownhills Leisure World , A1/A46 Junction, Newark, Nottinghamshire, UK. T +44-1636-704201. Sales@brownhills.co.uk , www.brownhills.co.uk . Buy-backs available. Rutenkolk Caravaning: Friedberger Landstrasse 434, D-60389 Frankfurt, Germany; Tel. 011-49-69-9474090, fax 011-49-69-94740969, info@rutenkolk.de , www.rutenkolk.de . Buy-backs available. STEVE HUNT is a professional tour operator who has traveled extensively. He is currently touring Europe by motor home. Contact him at whall237@yahoo.com . 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There are several good reasons to buy used, one of course is that the big depreciation has already occurred and used often represent best value for the dollar.., It is also possible that the coach has some or all of the new coach maladies taken care of.. The other side of the coin is that you do not want to inherit some one else's headache... One of the first things to weigh in on is what trade off you will want to make on the age versus opting for a higher end model but older Motorhome.. Finding a coach that is a good match for your requirements and pocket book is not the biggest challenge. The big challenge is determining if the coach will deliver to your expectations. One last thing about buying used.. spend some time focused on what your recourse is if the coach has hidden defects... Get any verbal promises in writing. Buying used still requires balancing financial considerations with requirements and preferences as is discussed in this Thread In fact I would look on this post as an addendum to the other... Try to limit your compromising to matching your pocketbook and requirements not on the coaches you select from....Limiting your search to what is conveniently available locally may be expedient but the more broader you extend your search the more likely you are to find exactly what you are looking for......Regardless of how much you end up spending the amount will not be insignificant.. You would be well served to do some research on availability and the market price of where your interests take you... While not as straight forward as buying new it is possible to arrive at a pretty fair estimate of what to consider paying for the type of coach that interests you.. Prior to looking for a pre owned Motorhome it is still a good idea to nail down most of the same issues as you would if your buying new... .. Doing some research prior to actually shopping will give to the best chance of getting the Motorhome is the best match to your pocket book and requirements... Buying off the internet There are basically three types of sellers, established brick and mortar dealers that use the internet as a marketing channel, individuals, and EBay only dealers. In the case of the latter caution is strongly advised. We have had instances of eBay only sellers get on the forum and basically hype a unit for sale, basically these are shills, there is no reason not to expect that the bidding will also have shills at work bumping up the prices. Here is a thread with additional comments Buying From eBay Looking for used coaches on the internet will give you a wider selection than just shopping locally. You will also get a good sense for the range of asking prices. While the process is more convoluted via the internet, fax and phone you should be able to ascertain the condition via pictures and written descriptions. All expectations relative to condition and features and options should be reduced to writing as part of the agreement to purchase with the caveat that you reserve the right to have the coach inspected by an independent source and that your deposit is fully refundable should the coach not pass inspection or if there are inconsistencies between the written expectations and the coach. What to pay There are a number of factors that will affect what the best price will be.. Age, condition, features, and availability. You can do searches on RVTRADER and RVSEARCH to get a good approximation of what the asking price band will be.. You can also go to the NADA site and get the Low Retail, and Avg. Retail prices... From what I have been able to determine you can consider the asking prices on listed units as equivalent to MSRP, the same is to be said for the Avg price shown on the NADA site. The low retail price shown would be equivalent to the discounted or what the market value would be... The whole sale and trade in value is measurably lower. . If there is anything that will require expenditures to restore the unit to pristine condition that should be deducted from the Low retail price as listed in NADA. When using the NADA site it is appropriate to add in the optional extras, the dilemma is knowing what was optional and what was including as standard when the unit was sold as new... I recommend being conservative when adding the options onto the base price... A more indepth discussion on How To Determine The Fair Market Value of A Used Motorhome Check for any RECALLS Inspecting what you expect Not doing a comprehensive and thorough inspection is not a guarantee that you will buy a bad coach. Conversely doing a comprehensive and thorough inspection will not be an absolute guarantee that you will buy a trouble free coach... But the odds increase in your favor the more comprehensive and thorough the inspection is... The inspection process for a used coach needs to be much more comprehensive and thorough than buying a new coach.. You have to do all the things you would be normally doing for a new coach such as insuring everything works.. But in the case of a used coach you have to understand and calibrate the effect of use and time and understand the maintenance history as well.. A checklist and a note pad to record observations during the inspection process will insure that the inspection is thorough, systematic and that you will not lose track of what you find.. There are multiple areas that will need to be inspected.. The chassis and running gear including tires, suspension components, the house itself focusing on general condition, all of the added components such as air conditioners, refrigerator, heating, hot water heater leveling system and the like. Another area to be looked at as well would be the generator, batteries, and inverter/converter if applicable. Unless you feel comfortable as to your qualifications to perform a thorough inspection then you might want to get some help either in the form of a knowledgeable friend or hire a professional to do the inspection... You will need to inspect the wear components such as brakes and tires and the life span components such as shocks, suspension components, hoses, belts, seals, batteries and tires. If the coach has not been in continual usage there will be the added potential of problems with dry rot and compromised components relative to fuel delivery.. Particularly with gasoline engines... varnish can form in as little as 30 days of disuse of proper precautions have not been taken. You will also want to post questions and do searches to gain insight to any of the particular high probability areas of concerns that are unique or specific to makes and model years. Starting with the house, you will want to look for any signs of water leakage, delaminating, as well as roof condition and integrity. The doors ( including bay doors) should be inspected that they open and shut easily and securely, and that all the locking mechanism work. Windows seals should be inspected and in the case of dual pane window that the inner seal has not failed, any cloudiness is a red flag. You will want to insure that all awnings are in good repair by opening and stowing taking note of any signs of wear.. Awing should open and close easily, excessive sloppiness is another red flag. You will also want to insure that all cabinet doors and drawers will open and securely latch when closed. Check the alignment of interior doors.. Then if equipped level the coach and note any changes especially in the alignment of interior doors including the shower door. Significant changes when leveled should be a concern. Inspect the batteries for signs of bulging or corrosion. Inspect for evidence of routine maintenance Focus on know problem areas such as the auto brake if so equipped Diesel cooling system test for sign of electrolysis Air bags look for dry rot and signs of leakage Look for signs of dry rot on belts and hoses Run generator under load for a period of time difficulty in starting and surging is a red flag Make sure that the refrigerator operates and will cool in all modes Check the outlet temperatures of the dash and roof air conditioner If the unit is equipped with slides in addition to insuring that they will extend and retract check the alignment of the slide with the side of the coach when fully retracted.. Slider problems are often preceded by signs of miss alignment. when retracted the slide should look the same in reference to the coach opening on all four corners. While your at it learn how and then do the manual retract operation... Insure that the hot water and furnace are operating properly If possible get the coach weighed and match that against the GVWR rating to understand what your CCC will be. One last area to think about has to do with documentation such as Owners manuals wiring and plumbing schematics and diagrams... Make sure you get them...You will need them... Try to get as thorough understanding as you can about where things are... Have the person you are buying from demonstrate or explain dumping procedures, water system, winterizing... Knowing where all the fuses, switches, valves are located and what they do... may save you some headaches ... JohnnyT * This post was last edited 04/13/05 12:11pm by JohnnyT * View edit history Whupdeedo View posts NE Ohio Senior Member Joined: 11/14/2003 View Profile Posted:08/12/04 01:40pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator An excellent post JohnnyT; we should save as a reference doc in this forum. I might add that my experiences have taught me to ignore coaches that were not used in the past year... Going by the old adage "Use it or Lose it", I've found lotsa great-looking used coaches that had real headaches because they've sat too long (brakes hanging up, exhaust rotted, unseen roof leaks/rotten wood, etcetra). Whupdeedo '04 BRAVE 34D charleegirl View posts Williston, ND, USA New Member Joined: 02/29/2004 View Profile Posted:08/12/04 04:44pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator Thank you for the excellent posts, I just looked at a used motorhome and really didn't know what to look for. This helped me alot. Timing was great! Charlee (found my camper) 2 adventurous girls (5 & 7) 1 rescue dog 89 Bronco graypreach View posts Madison, WI usa Full Member Joined: 12/27/2003 View Profile Offline Posted:08/12/04 06:07pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator Johnny thanks......we've done tents, converted school bus, popup, and now class A.....but I printed your post to save if we get the itch to look/buy........thanks again for the time and effort.......dc & zz mpkmfl View posts USA New Member Joined: 08/04/2004 View Profile Posted:08/12/04 06:41pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator Thank you so very much. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Buying used and this has come at just the right time. mpkmfl Michael 2000 Nu-Wa HitchHiker Premier 35 1/2 LKTG - $38,900 Contact Seller Look no further! This coach is in showroom condition! Must see!This 36.5 ft. overall, triple slide 5th wheel is truly set ... more details nixiejen View posts Pgh, PA, US Senior Member Joined: 08/16/2004 View Profile Offline Posted:08/17/04 10:16am Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator Thanks for all the sound advice John. This OLD PARATROOPER (48 yrs young) never thought he'd be back runnin around in the woods but I want my son to experience all the beautiful things mother nature has to offer. Kinda makes ya appreciate the simple things in life more, Hasta la Vista, Baby !!! GO STEELER"S Hey, by the way anyone out there belong to ROARING RUN RESORT here in PA. Look forward to seein ya there. Happy Trails to You, GO STEELERS!!! "A Stranger is just a Friend that you haven't met yet" "All Gave some, Some Gave All, Let Us Not Forget" Rich Nix-(Nixie) Pgh, PA USArmy Retired (1st Infantry-82nd Airborne) NALC Letter Carrier, Retired (nixiejen6@hotmail.com) Jenn- RJ & Kelsey 3 Dogs- Tigger Casey Bandit 89 Southwind 65K 33' golfman59 View posts Tampa, Florida USA Full Member Joined: 03/09/2004 View Profile Offline Posted:08/26/04 10:19am Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator Just absolutely awesome insights Johnny. I agree with what someone said that these articles should be kept in a separate forum for reference only. This would be helpful in that you wouldn't have to "weed" through a lot of individual replies if you don't have the time. One additional thought would be: for a given budget, should one look at an older diesel or a newer gas rig. What are the Pro's and Con's? samsnet View posts Discovery Bay, CA USA New Member Joined: 12/05/2003 View Profile Posted:09/13/04 12:26pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator Hi hope this isn't to late a response. I have a 1999 Dolphin 5370 (Gas) and can tell you that this truck is a great driving Motorhome. Now the Tradewind Model 7390 would be heavier since it's 2' longer and a Diesel. I looked at all of the National Products Tradewinds, Tropical, Dolphin and Seabreeze. All of these coaches are basicly the same. Tradewinds being the top of the line and Seabreeze being the entry level. You can get the Tropical in both Diesel or Gas depending on the Model Year. Pay attention to the advise about how much room do you have when the slides are in. My model is fully usable with the slide in. ( I don't have a bedroom slide) Can you get to the Closet when the slide is in (without crawling over the bed). Can you get into the bar cabinet with the slide in? Can you use the Coach as a bed with the slide in? I chose Gas over Diesel because of cost. Initial and upkeep. Price an oilchange for both. and now that Diesel fuel cost more then Regular, I'm glad a got Gas. SamS sam@samsnet.net apetit View posts between here and there Full Member Joined: 09/12/2004 View Profile Posted:09/13/04 12:58pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator Having just gone through this, I would add: Go through the motions of throughly cleaning the coach. Look behind stuff, under things, where the sun never shines. You might be surprised, and possibly dismayed, at what you find. Unfortunately I learned this by truly cleaning a used MH AFTER I bought it. anthony clintb439147 View posts norfolk, nebr, usa Full Member Joined: 08/08/2004 View Profile Posted:09/28/04 08:48pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator what you need to look at is how tall the mh is and does it have duals on back and how wide it is , i drive a bus school and greyhound type , school bus are dp and not as tall as coach bus, wind is stronger on the larger coach buses , more space to be pushed around. we have lots of wind on the plains and you get used to driving in strong winds and adverse weather conditions. 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